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#41 nakbrooks

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:18 AM

We must remember that most of those writing the wiki content will be beta users but many of those reading the content will be using only the latest official release (or maybe an older one). So it is important we make clear what version screenshots and documentation refers to.
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#42 lukepower

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:23 AM

Christer,

 

great! I added a few more pages of content, it is becoming clear to me that we'll need a big section about Autoslew and another about Sequence. There is plenty of things that need to be said there...

 

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#43 lukepower

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:23 AM

Nigel,

we could maybe add something like "Applies to version x and above, or version y and below"?


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#44 nakbrooks

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:41 AM

Yes that would be good.

It would also be good to try and build a change log so users know what the differences are between different versions of Autoslew, Sequence, ACC, etc. At least the major changes between official releases (maybe not sub-versions).
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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:44 AM

I'm travelling now between the UK and my observatory in France which I am recommissioning (I don't use it during the summer). I'll check out your pages when I arrive tomorrow.
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#46 lukepower

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 07:52 AM

Nigel,

Christer already created a changelog for the different versions and inserted what we know.

As for the system, I am beginning to really like it. Check this out for an example http://asauser.cosmo...le=Mount_Tuning

It is really easy to edit, even without Visual Editor. And the images are working great now, too  :rolleyes:


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#47 GeorgeCarey

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 12:50 PM

Congratulations to all those who have set this up!
I had my first look at the Wiki and it looks really good.

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 01:51 PM

Hi Lucas and All,

​Nice Mount tuning page Lucas! The wiki will be a great resource to all.

Here are some avalible domain name to use, price around 10 euro/year

asausers.com

asausers.eu

asausers.net

asausers.org

Give me som suggestion what name you like! 

 

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 03:08 PM

Oh well... I guess "asausers.org" or "asa-users.org" might hit it.


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Posted 04 September 2016 - 03:28 PM

Hi, just registred for this awesome initiative.
I have recorded some videos and put on youtube, just as a reminder to myself but also for other to watch - anyone who wan't can use this with my permission.

This is how The balance routine works - https://youtu.be/SuIuHkcxjJw
Here is a conplete recording of a autopoint,- hopefully without errors? - https://youtu.be/1mrjV1gOUk0
And here is a recording of me running a sequence i have already setup - https://youtu.be/wOgA41y-RpM

/Daniel

#51 lukepower

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 04:03 PM

Great Daniel,

I will try to insert it in the Balancing page. Could be great stuff. Or you could add it yourself  :)

 

EDIT: Christer, could you activate the following extension: https://www.mediawik...tension:YouTube?

With it, we can insert the videos directly in the wiki.


Edited by lukepower, 04 September 2016 - 04:05 PM.

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#52 Corpze

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 04:32 PM

Have you looked at the video of me running a autopoint and calculating the pointingfile? I do not wan't to add something that might contain eny errors...
It worked for me that time but you never know with autoslew (especially on win10) :angry: 
Wen't back to win7 and everything was operating flawlessly within an hour.
Personally, as a newbe - the hardest thing for me to get the mount up and running was;

- How crucial the balance and tuning is. Best result did I get when i did a;

              Rough balance

              Autotune
              Manual tune

              Balance

              And to finish it off with a final servo tune.

- The second most important thing was to me in which order you have to set up autoslew the first time

              Power on
              Start Autoslew

              Motors on

              Homefind

              etc...

 

- The third most horrific experience was setting up the parameters for autofocus - but I think there was a quite good PDF on that subject.
 

We could also add what kind of USB-cables, extensions and USB-hubs we are using, i change brand three times before finding a 5m USb 2.0 Cable from Deltaco that worked for me; This one (For both the COM and the HUB) https://www.deltaco....ha-a-ha/USB2-10 (Swedish) - but you have the right part nr.
There is possibly tons of things i can think of, and i will be contributing from a total newbe perspective - which I think this wiki will be awesome for. 
/Daniel



 



#53 lukepower

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Posted 04 September 2016 - 04:47 PM

Daniel,

yes, maybe adding a "Tested Hardware" wiki page would be a nice idea. Could you start on that?

I will have a look at the videos later on as the next days are very busy ones for me (gonna do a big building work in a few weeks and need to finish all the preparations).

Maybe your other ideas could be summarized in some sort of Quick Start tutorial. The single points (like "Manual tune", "Balance" and so on) could link to the respective pages.

EDIT: I added a page with your suggestions here: http://asauser.cosmo...t_for_beginners


Edited by lukepower, 04 September 2016 - 04:53 PM.

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#54 nakbrooks

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 04:04 PM

I think this is all a really great start.  Hopefully we will hear soon from ASA whether we can use their manuals as a basis for more content.

 

In the meantime I was wondering if the menu structure might need to be clarified a bit.  There seems to be some overlap between Software, Documents, Setup and Technology.  Maybe a structure something like this:

 

Main Page

News

Hardware

        Mounts

        Astrographs

        Cassegrain / RC

Software

        Autoslew

        Sequence

        ACC

Accessories

        Correctors

        Focusers

        Rotators

        GPS

        Other

Tutorials

        Quick start for beginners

        Polar alignment

        Collimation

        Mount tuning

        Pointing file

        etc, etc

Integration with 3rd party s/w

        MaximDL

        The Sky X

        ACP

        etc, etc

Technology

        Direct drive

        High res encoders

        Windows & drivers

        etc, etc

Interaction

        Recent changes

        Help

        Categories (what is this, do we need it?)

        Community portal (do we need this, or do we use the ASA Forum?)

ASA Users Group

        About

        Members

        Events

        Help

        Terms & Conditions

Administrators (only visible to admins)

        Various admin tools

 

 

I would suggest that all pages in the Hardware, Software and Accessories sections have a standard format that includes sub-sections for:

 

- Overview (what does it do)

- Specification (key characteristics)

- Installation (how to physically install and configure it)

- FAQs (common problems & gotchas, with answers)


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Posted 05 September 2016 - 04:13 PM

I was thinking the exact same thing Nigel, i would really like to see your menu or a similar one - it make more sense.
/Daniel

#56 lukepower

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 05:41 PM

Okay, I found the version history of Autoslew (in the installation directory, surprise!) and inserted it into the Wiki: http://asauser.cosmo...e=Release_Notes


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#57 GeorgeCarey

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 07:00 PM

Would it be good to have a section on 'Common Errors'?
The dreaded never ending slews, errors due to balance, dodgy usb leads, interpreting the log files and so on.
I have first hand experience of the rising current problem which can only be fixed by sending the mount back to ASA.
I spent months trying to sort this out myself when the mount should have gone back immediately.

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#58 ChristerS

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:38 PM

Hi,

George a "Common Error" section sounds good.

Nigel's menu suggestion looks good, please come with some more suggestions before I change it.

Lucas, I have now installed the Youtube extension

 

/Christer 


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#59 nakbrooks

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 09:42 PM

Good idea. Maybe in the FAQ section that I suggested for each hardware or software page?

If things like this get too long then maybe they can be linked to their own pages, or put in the Tutorials section?

It's important we try and get the site structure right, otherwise we will end up with a random selection of pages that contain really valuable stuff but are hard to find/navigate.

This is turning into the most positive step for amateur ASA users in many years. ASA seem to be focussing on high end kit for professional users so we need to take this into our own hands.
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#60 lukepower

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 06:56 AM

I created yesterday a page for 'Common Problems':  http://asauser.cosmo...Common_Problems

It could be a place to collect that information as George suggested.

 

I would also recommend to work a bit on the first/main page, maybe giving it a logical approach which would make sense for a fresh owner of a mount, like:

1) Setup

2) Quick Start

3) Common problems

 

and so on...

 

@Christer: Thanks, I inserted one of Daniel's video's here: http://asauser.cosmo...g#Example_Video

Seems like the plugin works fine. 

@Daniel: The video is nice, but could you (when you find the time) do it with a video capture like you did on the other videos? 


Edited by lukepower, 06 September 2016 - 06:59 AM.

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